2014, my first Season with a Seascape 27. There is lots of awesome things to tell about the boat but also some annoying once. I will share my experience with boat no. 19 and also add the comments I received from Seascape to my experience.
Seascape promised a boat that is easy to handle, even with a shorthanded crew. They have nailed it! I had roughly 3 weeks of sailing experience before my girlfriend and I set sail from Flensburg to Neustadt with our new Seascape 27. Of course we had to get used to the boat and all it’s trimming possibilities. Our sailing performance was far from ideal but we managed the ~160nm safely. After 1.000nm I sailed with her in 2014, I will even dare to sail single handedly 2015 in light to normal weather conditions.
Two things are a real annoyance to us though
First of all, the 6hp Tohatsu that just does not start a lot of times. We could not figure out a pattern yet but it is more likely to happen when sailing in a higher sea state. The issue is with the ignition plug. It’s wet preventing the engine to start (it’s either gasoline or oil – not sure, when you wipe it with white cloth it leaves black stains). With a wet plug you can pull your lungs out (90+ times) without any success. So we remove the ignition plug one, two, sometimes even three or more times and dry it. Usually the engine starts after pulling around 20 times whilst drying the plug. Very much looking forward to the solution Seascape is working on!
It does not seem to happen with the 9.8hp Tohatsu as it contains a fuel injection. Seascape is currently testing a new engine hatch giving the engine additional 7 cm of headroom. With the new hatch, the 6hp engine will not be placed entirely on the site when resting but in an upward angle. The first tests at the Jabuka Race have been successful according to Andraž Mihelin.
The second issue is the main sail handling. I was a little naive regarding the luff – I did not order the sliders option so the luff is not fixed anywhere when the sail is not hoisted. Especially with two people we have a hard time getting the sail under control in heavy winds and gusts. It’s probably good for experienced sailors for performance reasons but I will get this changed over the winter.
Andraž said that quite some owners now use combination of luff rope and a simple lazy bag/layzjack system and they are really happy with it. Seascape plans to offer it in 2015.
I still think I will go for the sliders, as it requires reinforcing the mast which can only be done if it’s down. I do not plan to set the mast twice in the season.
Cruising with her is awesome. The smart concepts providing lots of space really pay off. 3 weeks with two people on-board is easy going – even 8 days with 4 males not an issue.
There is room for improvements with the mattresses though. Everyone who slept over complained about the hardness. We put an additional foam mattress of 5cm on top of the standard one in the front cabin which makes it ok. Our guest in the main cabin used 2-3 blankets to soften their beds. I would prefer one set of thicker and softer mattresses, especially in the front cabin.
From boat number 40, Seascape has changed cushions to 5cm soft foam and 2cm of hard foam mix.
Over the summer, I though about how to take advantage of the table that is easily disassembled. It would be great if we could use it outside as well. I imagine a mechanism alike to Ikea table-legs. You could screw one of the legs onto the top of the engine hatch and put the table on top. This should be done in a few seconds and can be removed completely while sailing or left on land whilst racing.
Seascape apparently had the same idea. Andraž said the “table was meant to be attached on a single alu or carbon tube that you would install in the centre of the cockpit. But lack of clearance at the engine head stopped that plan. Didn’t make alternative but working on it.”
I think Seascape has a great marketing in place. It’s user centered and emotional. I like a lot that Seascape people participate in races and even join other SSC27’s on races to make sure there is a good amount of boats at the start line. Obviously, the SSC27 is an award winning boat:
In my opinion she deserved everyone one of it. At the same time, I think Seascape could improve their retrofit business a lot by publishing new and cool options they have developed on their website. For example, I only heard about the the swimming ladder because I kept asking Bielmarin about it. I recently came across a post on Facebook saying that the 2015 model will ship with a carbon tiller. My tiller looks pretty rotten after one season. If I cannot refurbish it, I could imagine getting a carbon one. + who knows what other cool stuff the Seascape guys have developed?
The Seascape website will be updated in 2015 including a list of options. A little later in 2015, Seascape will also launch a knowledge base. Just what we all have been waiting for 🙂
It could very well be normal within the pleasure vessel industry, especially with a new model but a quite some times we went out for sailing something broke. Even though mostly small things, every time this happened it left some aftertaste, giving me the impression that the boat is degenerating. Everything can be fixed and I hear the same thing from other boats of all types and manufacturers. Just thought I should mention it.
Two things that would make my life easier:
In short: very happy with the boat and the concept, hoping to solve all the issues before end of March and that the boat will last for many years.
Wouldn’t an electric engine be a (much) better solution???
Especially with this light and nicely designed boat…
Hi Phil, thanks for your comment.
I thought about an electric engine a lot. I think it has massive advantages over a combustion engine. Especially the low noise levels, no exhaust, probably no staring issues. Its just clean and green.
I would be very interested in someones experience with an electrical one on a boat like the 27.
My 5 cents against it were:
* Infrastructure: Most marinas at the Baltic Sea are already overloaded with the current consumers on their electrical circuit and not equipped for charging an electrical engine yet.
* Distance: Even though I rather sail than using the engine, the distance an electrical can push the boat is relatively low compared to fuel. We probably would have been stuck in the middle of the Baltic Sea over-nights last summer, when the wind died completely.
* Price: It was at minimum 2.5 times as expensive.
* Weight: The overall weight of a e.g. Torqeedo Cruise incl. one battery, and the charging unit is higher than the 6hp Tohatsu incl. the tank if I recall correctly.
*Placement of batteries: I wouldn’t know where to place the battery on the 27. Probably where the tank is sitting, but the compartment is not sealed off from water. I’m sure it can be done with some handy work though.
Electrical is probably the future and I am looking forward to it!
Cool. Can see you thought about it 😉
Last summer I did some experimentation with an Ixylon (DDR-Jolle) on the lakes and canals south of Berlin (was great btw!) with a very basic e-motor.
For sure SSC27 is another dimension and I agree with the problems you present. Few remarks in addition:
1. It’s true that if the manufacturers would do an effort in that direction it would make everything a lot more EASIER (installing the engine, storage for the batteries, cables, optimizing weight/space etc). From your posts it seems they are “listening” to you, so there is hope 😉
2. Regarding the distance, well, my view is: when you know in advance what is your capacity, you adjust accordingly. So yes it is a limitation but if integrated in the sailing program in advance, no problem. It’s just one (of many) more parameters!
3. Regarding charging. Hum… I guess you cannot avoid to have some solar panel and/or windkraft… Where? On the aft I guess. (Again a design job for the manufacturer! ). There is also a fuel cell solution that seems promising (EFOY) but with a cost.
Now with such a nice boat which is light and can beach almost anywhere I guess you’ll want to be energy autonomous!!
I’m planning to get a boat for the Ostsee next summer, but one small enough that it can run on electricity. Let’s see.
Voilà. Will continue to follow your blog!